How on earth is this allowed to happen in this day and age? 'Equality' laws are applied to the extreme in most cases, often resulting in ridiculous cases like this, yet once again the god-squad are going to be allowed to openly discriminate against people who don't believe their stupid fairy-stories.
My missus is a teacher, and she cannot get a job in a catholic school (if she wanted one that is). Yep, in the UK, in 2009, a fully state funded organisation can legally say "we are not employing you because you don't believe in the same utter utter nonsense/religion as us". How on earth is this the case?
Arrrggghhh!
Glad to see you're insulting to religious people as well as just the police, at least you're spreading the bigotry.
ReplyDeleteAs regards the story itself, good for them. I'm glad the church is sticking up for itself & thoroughly fed up with the likes of yourself who clearly don't deserve to be treated on equal footing. It sounds like common sense for an employer to seek employees who have something in common with the those of the employer. I can't see the Black Police Association employing a BNP councillor somehow, or the Pink Paper offering a job to an anti-gay campaigner, nor should they be forced to.
Equality, but only on your own terms, unless whatever gig you are into you are happy being referred as the equivalent of 'bible-bashers', 'god-squad' & your equivalent of religion as 'utter nonsense'.
Equality legislation does not work and above all, IS NOT EQUAL because someone's rights always trump somone else's rights.
....above should read "something in common with the ethos of the employer"
ReplyDeleteHi 200, I am absolutely not a bigot. But I am very VERY anti-religion. It is utter nonsense, all of it, virgin births and talking donkeys, blokes riding to heaven on winged horses. Get a grip.
ReplyDeleteI really don't care if I offend religionists, and I certainly don't respect their beliefs. I 100% think people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want, but it's when they start demanding that their views are "respected" that it gets silly. Would you respect my view that the Tooth Fairy is real and that thunder and lightning actually comes from Thor's hammer?
I am a big big supporter of equality, but I agree with you that equality regulations don't work, they just seem to end up in daft situations of "positive discrimination". I too agree (to an extent) that firms should be able to employ who they want, and thus naturally like-minded people. But when it comes to state-funded organisations deciding hiring on the basis of religion, it is just wrong wrong wrong. This story got my back up because one of the most discriminatory organisations around have been given a let off. It's hardly equality if some people are exempt from equality regs!
I am certainly not a bigot, and I do take great offence at that; but I will make no apologies for hold religion (all religions) in the highest of contempt.
Peace.
the likes of yourself who clearly don't deserve to be treated on equal footing.
ReplyDeleteSteady on big fella! And you're the one calling ME a bigot!
well as we're on the hypocrite accusations, how can you possibly complain that you are offended by being called a bigot, something which I can happily provide an explanation for, but at the same time slag off people who don't happen to hold the same opinion as you.
ReplyDeleteClearly you're bigoted against the police & those who hold religion very important, I'll wait to see further articvles to see which other group you don't like, though your use of the wrod 'lezzas' in another post might provide further clues - you claim that the whole group have the same characteristics as a few, which is pretty much the same as racisim or sexism in my book, hence my accusation of bigotry.
As to my comment about you not deserving to be treated on an equal footing, that is my opinion of you, not of a particular group, if that's biggotted against you, then I'm happy to be so disposed from what I've read of your opinions so far.
Mark Thomas's Manifesto show (available on IPlayer until Thursday eve) had an interesting take on the whole religion issue - it was proposed that the church should have a minimum height restriction, much as fairground rides do, in order to prevent people getting taken in while they lack the objectivity to evaluate matters for themselves...
ReplyDeleteAs Marcus Brigstocke once remarked, a four year old is no more a Christian than he is a member of the General Postal Worker's Union.
Looking at the issue, it's difficult to see how we can move forward sensibly on this one - the fact is that employment is being withheld not on the basis of abilities or competence, but rather religious views. I'm with Hibbo on this - it's not on...
Of course, I'm sure the church will say that that it's unreasonable of us to expect them to recruit people into a religious school that do not share the same faith - and they're right too!
I say the hell with it - let's seperate religion (ALL religion) from schools and have done.
Martin
I'm a big Mark Thomas fan, although I've not seen much of his newer stuff, I'll have to get over to iplayer... I agree with his minimum height rule; it really REALLY annoys me to hear things like "muslim children" or "a catholic child".
ReplyDeleteI will tackle all 200's points in another post. Soon.....
Although 200, I will take issue with your insinuation that because I used the short-hand word for lesbians, I don't like homosexuals. I couldn't care less what people's sexual preferences are, and just because you use a slang term it doesn't automatically imply anything.
ReplyDeletesorry, I didn't realise the word 'lezzas' was a term of respect & reverence.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see what slang terms you use for gay males, black people & elderly folk.
You're right though, the use of slang terms doesn't *imply* anything, it *shows* a complete lack of respect though & *demonstrates* a certain approach to other groups which I thought went out with Frank Carson & Jim Davidson.
Ooops, biut of a memory failure, I meant Bernard Manning, not Frank Carson!
ReplyDeleteAnd that, my dear 200, is what we call a brain fart lol!
ReplyDelete200,
ReplyDeleteThe problem is of course once sexuality is brought into the situation, it has an unfortunate habit to dominate it.
The real issue here is that two constables have been shown to be dishonest, and should therefore be dismissed.
Martin
Martin,
ReplyDeletespoken like a true politician i.e diverting attention from the real points related to this story (bigotry against religion and other groups) to something which isn't anything to do with it.
With respect 200, you may call me a pratt, an arsehole, an idiot, a habitual wanker if you will, but DO NOT call me a politician. There's no need for _that_ kind of abuse!
ReplyDeleteAnd with that out of the way, I was responding to the "lezzas" point that you yourself developed.
Now, back to civility for both of us?
Martin.
I didn't call you a politician, I said you spoke like one.
ReplyDeleteMany apologies, I though it was de rigeur to be offensive round these parts, my bad.
Oh, so I only SOUND like a politician? Are you actually trying to annoy me lol?
ReplyDeleteLook, I'm not interested in stupid squabbling and name calling, and if you review my posts you'll find I've made a point of being civil with everyone.
I'm really not interested in how you and Hibbo get along - but I am interested in how the general public and the police get along. Since we all share that interest, albeit from different positions, perhaps we could learn from one another instead of scoring points...
To come away from the lesbians though (sob!), does anyone have an idea about how faith based schools can be brought in line with anti-discrimination policies?
Martin
for someone not interested in stupid name calling & squabbling, may I suggest that you don't actually do it & then you won't attract the likes of replies like mine who are champions of such pettiness. It appears you have the monopoly on what's civil & what isn't. I don't actually think that saying someone sounds like a politician is uncivil, whereas using the terms wanker, arsehole & idiot probably are.
ReplyDeleteBut then that is quite petty of me.
On your last note, it's interesting that you suggest the need for religion-based schools to be "brought in line" with anti-discrimination policies. Why does it have to be this way round. Are you suggesting that the anti-discrimination policies which currently exist are the utopia which the religious factions should strive for?
My dear 200,
ReplyDeleteI'm not aware of having engaged in name calling and squabbling with you, but if I have said something that has offended you I assure you that was not my intent.
As for my "arsehole etc" comments, well, that whooshing sound you probably also missed was a joke going completely over your head...
Now, you ask why I thought the schools have to be brought in line with anti-discrimination policies... The main reason I would want the schools to be brought back is that I don't see them as a special case...
Also, with all the troubles in the world today, are religious schools (of any creed) really such a good idea? Shouldn't we be encouraging understanding and tolerance - which will only come about through exposure between the various religious groups?
I certainly don't think the our laws on discrimination are any kind of utopia, but we're better for having them in my view.
Martin.
Ps. Anyone else having problems copying and pasting into this comment box?
copying & pasting doesn't appear to work round here.
ReplyDeleteThe problem in our comments is that, as we don;t know each other, it is difficult to discern humour/sarcasm/irony from serious comment.
Why do you think that religious education & tolerance & understanding are mutually exclusive. Are there religions which don't embrace peace, love & understanding?
Well, maybe you're onto something...
ReplyDeleteI don't necessarily believe that religious education and understanding are mutually exclusive. Indeed, religious education, in and of itself is a good thing regardless of the student's position on matters of faith. Whether you believe or not, the major faiths have a huge impact on the modern world, so a basic introduction to the major faiths has to be a good idea.
What I *do* believe goes against tolerance and understanding is when schools only take students of one specific faith, or indeed teachers of one specific faith... It's only by being exposed to people with a variety of beliefs that people are able to see past the popular stereotypes and see others for who they are.
Martin.